“When you listen attentively, in that attention there is no ‘you’ attending. You are listening. Not that you are listening, there is only the act of listening. So where there is attention there is no center which is the self, the ‘me’, the psyche. That is meditation, to attend so completely and diligently there is nothing of negligence, then there is the beginning, the real depth of meditation. For in that there is no measure, no time, no thought. And out of that, or in that, there is deep abiding silence. That means the brain is utterly quiet, not chattering. The brain has its own rhythm, let it act out of itself, but not the self-imposing, thought imposing something on the brain. The whole structure, the organism, and the mind are utterly quiet. I don’t know if it has ever happened to you. It may happen occasionally when you are walking in a beautiful lane, in a wood of trees and birds and flowers, and the beauty of a sunset, or a morning dawn, then for a second or two you are quiet, breathless, watching the beauty of the world. But that is external. But when the brain is quiet, though it has its own activity, quiet in the sense thought is not functioning, so time and thought come to an end where there is deep attention. And then in that silence, which is not the man-made silence, silence has no cause, then in that silence, there is that which is nameless, which is beyond all time. Such a mind is a religious mind. And it is only such minds that can bring about a new culture, a new society. And because that is eternal it has immense significance in life.”
J. Krishnamurti
Talk 2, New York, 1983
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Interesting. The soundtrack worked for me. The visuals, although spectacular, divided me. At 3:36 min. I probably could have gone deeper with just that one visual. Thank you. Thank you. Lingering in the wake of your effortlessness.
Hiljaisuus on kun minän kuorma on tiedostettu ja siten pudonnut luonnollisesti pois hälisemästä ja tämä kaikki tapahtuu ilman motiivia!
Know via Being rather than thinking.
My brother in law is a famous architect, give him freedom and he will come up with something fantastic. The other day his wife asked him who gave him his assignment and he replied: “I give myself the assignment’. Which makes him master and slave in one person. He is never in the moment, he is always busy creating something in the future. And he forces himself to create, same as someone who wants to exercise more or wants to lose weight. The action is never now, always a future ideal, or an illusion, as Krishnamurti says. Only if time and thought have come to an end there is action, now.
The simplicity of this is seemingly so distant, so complex for the ego mind. To try to add to the direct simplicity of what “K” say of “silence” just complicates, adds noise 😌..
May everyone catch a glimpse which seems to be required for your calm pursuit to snowball until the wherefore of “what is” is discovered..🙏😌
Absolutely true what Krishnamurti says! In total attention to whatever, “you”, are listening, the listener gets absorbed in listening, leaving only the act of listening! Devoid of i/me there is only listening and is free of disturbing thoughts!
Thus, “ I/me”, is just a thought due to identification by Awareness with listening and it becomes “I am listening”! This I/me robs us from attentively listening, as it’s only a thought of I/me which, taken real!
I have always appreciated him for making clear what is NOT love and peace. And he paints a picture of how it can be to experience real love of what is real meditation. His pure point of view about the cruelty of society and many relationships opened my eyes when I was young. How to evolve from the point were one stands towards being a true religious person, one needs a lot more than K. I am afraid. He is too unfamiliar with ordinary man and ordinary life to really make a bridge. That’s the way I see it. Most people need other things in order to grow.
Кришнамурти прав – мир познания ( не знаний) безграничен. Многие люди, жившие до него говорили об этом пути самопознания – к примеру слова Августина Аврелия:” Не выходи в мир, а возвращайся к самому себе: внутри человека пребывает правда”. Религия не помешала Августину открыть свой путь к истине, возможно, помогла. Помогла внешней дисциплиной обуздать, успокоить в какой то степени ум и в этой тишине он открыл Безграничное – общее, открытое для всех.
Проблема в том, что наш ум слишком захвачен внешним: слишком много слов, много дел – всё кажется важным и мы держимся на поверхности, наш ум, его деятельность не дает шансов погрузиться в глубину Тишины.
Носир Хисроу написал такие строчки:” Ты можешь сотни лет о жемчуге твердить,
Но если не нырнешь — он твой лишь в сновиденье”
А дополнить его можно словами православного монаха Романа :
“Не полагай, что главное – нырнуть:
Нырянье не прогулка в чистом поле,
Одно Страданье знает верный путь,
И потому нет Личности без боли”
“Страданье” – я думаю с этим связан путь познания ума, не борьбы, но познания, именно так. Там за его порогом лежит то Безграничное, Безпредельное, Вечно новое, которое позволяет даже нашу современную жизнь видеть в удивительных красках. Инструмент для этого? Я думаю – это искренняя, честная тяга к самопознанию.
The video ”Attention and Meditation”
J. Krishnamurti
Talk 2, New York, 1983
You have not translated the audio into Spanish.
The state of mind described by K can be realized when we are in some place in nature, as shown in the video. I experienced such a state. I think that I will never be able to experience a state similar to the one described if I am in the company of people or when I am doing any action or work. I believe that it is better for a person to live as close to nature as possible, without being distracted by the excessive temptations of civilization. Only in this case a person is capable of free creativity. And this is the main condition for a happy life and for realizing the true reality of the world in which we live.
Serene video. The religious mind is deeply attentive. One does not come to that silence.
That silence dawns on one without one knowing it.
It is like flowers blossom when all requirements are in place.
Yes, with full attention in the present, the mind naturally stops thinking. The mind empty of concepts and free of the past is possible throughout the day, simply by being attentive. In silent attention, there is no observer or center or me as K said, There is just seeing/awareness of what is now, without any filters of thought. I think it is one key proponent to Krishnamurti’s teachings and of others also. This awareness with the mind completely still is the same in everyone beneath every individualized stream of thought. There comes a time when the emptiness is as natural as thinking about things. Thank you K for speaking the truth.
Wade