A Conversation With Byron Katie
Byron Katie is a well-known author and teacher. TIME describes her as “a spiritual innovator for the 21st century.”
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In the following episode of The Immeasurable Podcast, we interview Byron Katie.
Byron Katie is a well-known author and teacher. TIME describes her as “a spiritual innovator for the 21st century.”
In this episode, Jaap Sluijter and Leah Luong explore Byron Katie’s work and how it relates to the teachings of J. Krishnamurti:
- Introduction by Jaap Sluijter (:25)
- Jaap introduces a new book, Unconditionally Free (2:06)
- Byron Katie says this mission, “to set mankind unconditionally free” is the mission of all human beings (3:07)
- Katie says an open mind is a questioned mind (4:40)
- Katie talks about “loving what is” and points to inquiry as essential to this natural discovery (5:50)
- Leah Luong asks Katie about attachment (6:57)
- Leah asks about what insight means in particular to Katie’s life experience (8:47)
- Katie talks about a transformational insight in her past (9:51)
- Jaap continues to ask about Katie’s transformational insight (13:59)
- Katie describes “The Work” briefly (23:47)
- Leah asks about specific aspects of “The Work” (26:31)
- Katie goes on to talk about the nature of images and love (29:36)
- Jaap asks Katie about calming the suffering vs. ending suffering and introduces time is the enemy of man” a quote from J. Krishnamurti and invites Katie to comment (31: 43)
- Katie says Krishnamurti is pointing to the fact that time is an illusion (32:58)
- Leah asks about negation, doubt, time, and concepts (37:26)
- Katie talks about guilt and love and says our true nature can’t be controlled (40:03)
- Katie talks about “first-generation thinking” (43:35)
- Jaap mentions Katie’s line in Loving What Is “I was being thought” and asks her what that means (46:26)
- Jaap, Leah, and Katie say their goodbyes (48:05)
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The Immeasurable is dedicated to exploring the essential questions of our existence: who we are and where we are going. The intent is to inspire readers to question assumptions of the mind, offering opportunities to ask deep questions into common life themes which are superficially accepted.
We encourage an investigation into the fabric of reality and our physical and cultural conditioning. In this exploration, we might find a new understanding of time and its relation to our thinking processes. A perception of the interconnectedness within the totality of life might arise in us as our perception expands through these explorations.
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“Surely, to find out what is true your mind must be free to inquire, which means that it cannot merely accept or believe. I can give you a description of the truth, but it will not be the same thing as your experiencing the truth for yourself.”
J. Krishnamurti
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